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Concordances and Differences between Alchemy and Ancient Ordinary Chemistry

Concordances and Differences between Alchemy and Ancient Ordinary Chemistry

1 Is it true that Fulcanelli (or better, Canseliet) was perhaps the first alchemist to openly recommend reading the treatises of baroque chemistry?

Neither Fulcanelli nor Canseliet were the first alchemists to recommend reading the treatises of baroque chemistry, but they were certainly the first to say it openly and without veiling it.

2 And Canseliet dared to say openly why…

My master, paraphrasing a line from the comic strip Asterix, said that Canseliet “was born inside the pot”, meaning that since he was a teenager he had been in contact with the greatest practitioners of Alchemy of his time. His innate courage later made him a kind of braggart, in the positive sense. He dared to say that the first alchemical works could be found absolutely described in the treatises of baroque iatrochemistry. In the first preparatory work the procedures could be the same (see First-Preparatory Works.). The iatrochemistry of the Baroque era pursued the same goals of volatilization of salts because medicine intended to achieve high degrees of absorbability by the human organism. However, pharmacists used to stop at the first stages of volatilization. This aspect was expressed in many of their treatises.

3 Only Canseliet made it clear directly, but he didn’t explain a fundamental part…

Canseliet does not explain (and this is an aspect he inherited from Fulcanelli) what stage of the works he is referring to. Because if we do not understand the stages of the alchemical works, we get lost in the labyrinth.

4 Which chemists did Canseliet recommend reading?

Canseliet was French and recommended reading the French: Glaser, the Lefevres, Lemery etc…

5 What readings do you, Iulia, recommend?

I recommend reading the books of medical doctors and iatrochemists of the Italian Renaissance and Baroque, because I think that the Italians said things that their French colleagues kept silent. Among them, Fioravanti and Lancillotti are the best known. One problem could be represented by the translation, in fact, the Italian language, at least until the reunification of the country in 1870, was rather a collection of dialects, while French had been “centralized” for centuries.

6 Where did Alchemy clearly break away from iatrochemistry?

It is still the iatrochemists, especially the Italians, who reveal that after the first volatilization, the alchemists continue to volatilize until they reach their Mercurius.

7 Is it true that by revealing the bifurcation stage, the iatrochemists gave a strong hint as to what the alchemists’ Mercurius was?

Not so sure. I believe that only an alchemist can understand what chemists define by saying cryptically “… and from here the alchemists go further”. See First-Preparatory Works, Eagle Wings or Volatilization.

8 What would an alchemist say about the same stage?

Alchemists express themselves only cryptically or symbolically. See First-Preparatory Works, Eagle Wings or Volatilization.

9 What do you tell us, Iulia, can you help us?

The work of the iatrochemists ends at the first, or at most, second volatilization: therefore at the end of what an alchemist calls preparatory work. That is First-Preparatory Works, Eagle Wings or Volatilization.

As far as I know, no iatrochemist has ever described Second-Main Work and even less Third Work.

10 And what about the metallurgical path?

The iatrochemists of the Baroque era were great artists of volatilization and sublimation, and they candidly admitted that they did not dare enter the field of metallurgy. A field they left to the metal assayers.

11 And what about Paracelsus? Wasn’t he a medical doctor, iatrochemist and alchemist?

In addition to having a life too short for our standards, too struggling, too spasmodic in the search for ancient wisdom, he was not even able to give a schematic and organized form to his thought. Paracelsus, unfortunately for us, was too much a victim of his era. He, definitely, left us only scattered hints.

12 Given that Alchemy has much in common with the ancient pharmaceutical chemistry, are there other branches of ancient human work which had many steps in common with Alchemy?

They were many: processing of saltpeter, urine, sea salt, calcification of horns, reduction of metals to powder, processing of alkalis, tartar of barrels, the distillation of spirits, turpentine, production of vinegar, beer, gunpowder, and incense, aging and magnetization of manure, collect and magnetize dews and products from the sky.
But it also went beyond pharmaceutical or agricultural products; for example, goldsmithing with the granulation of gold, the glassmaker with the production of enamels and pigments for glass.
Mirror craftsmen with mercury mirrors.
The potter’s work: the extreme pulverization with mortar.
Miners with their mineral assay; metallurgists and blacksmiths with working metals through changes of state; swordsmiths with tempering swords.
With the reduction of rocks and stones into powder with hot vinegar and salt, the builders produced lime.
The artisan perfumers with the sublimation of resins and metals.
The mummifiers of ancient Egypt.
Ancient monks and nuns worked with the preparation and preservation of bones.

13 Does ancient iatrochemistry have anything to do with modern spagyrics?

Ancient chemistry has almost nothing to do with modern spagyrics. See Differences between Alchemy and Spagyrics.

14 What were the basic principles in common between iatrochemistry and Alchemy?

Renaissance and Baroque iatrochemistry had some points in common with Alchemy: the heterogeneity of the starting materials; working more with elements than with the purity of substances; “aging” in dark and humid cellars; the practice of volatilizing and sublimating.

15 In short, alchemists volatilize and sublimate to obtain their Mercurius, but why did iatrochemists imitate these procedures?

For a similar purpose: the aim of ancient iatrochemists was not to obtain active ingredients, but extremely volatilizable final substances because they were considered highly absorbable by the body. The alchemical Mercurius is achieved after at least seven volatilizations, the “highly absorbable medicine“ of the iatrochemists after only one volatilization.

16 Is it true that the final substances for pharmaceutical use were very complex from a molecular point of view, just as the substances resulting from alchemical procedures were?

True. Today we would say that they were substances so complex and long in molecular chains that they were difficult to detect by modern detection equipment (which are programmed to reveal active ingredients, generally simpler substances from a molecular point of view).

17 Is it true that iatrochemists also used solvents and lifters such as vinegar, salts from urine, tartar and saltpetre, cognac, wine, aromatic resins, etc., like the alchemists in the early part of their works?

True. These were substances widely used in the iatrochemists’ work, as well as in the early alchemical works.

18 What were the basic substances of the baroque pharmacopoeia and also ubiquitous among the alchemists of the humid path?

Tartar (and also urine salts), vinegar, wine. To which, optionally, gold could also be added.

19 Is it true that ancient iatrochemistry did not follow the acid/base protocol typical of modern iatrochemistry?

True. The use of the entire ancient pharmacopoeia, composed of alkalis, tartars, wines, vinegars, urine salts, aromatic resins, soot, bones and horns always had the aim of dispersing, liquefying and sublimating. A practice evidently far from the acid/base protocol typical of modern iatrochemistry.

20 Were ancient iatrochemists interested in working with metals?

Very much so. Their customers were the first to believe that metal medicines were more effective than herbal ones. In reality, the basis of almost all preparations with metals was herbal: from the plant world (and also from the animal world) the ingredients were taken to prepare solvents, openers and lifting agents for volatilizing the mineral salts.

21 Did iatrochemists, like alchemists, also calcine metallic salts before working with them?

Iatrochemists believed that extreme oxidation of powdered metal led to easier volatilization, along with the above-mentioned plant substances. Calcination techniques varied depending on the metal. Some, mined as ores, often in sulfur formations, were purified by metallurgical methods and then grinded to powder; others, such as gold, were reduced to extremely thin sheets and then calcined by mixing them with sliced ox horns.

22 Is it true that Prussian Blue is a classic example of how alchemists and chemists of the Baroque age had the same basis of technical knowledge?

True. To begin with, let’s say right away that we could perfectly do Alchemy with Prussian blue, with both the methods of Kunckel and Dippel. To tell the truth, Kunckel speaks of enamels, and to make enamels one need metals, which are the basis of all of them. So, we have to take lead and tin,  which should be calcined, then boiled in water. Then they are calcined again and boiled again to obtain a nice slime. Then we add a white stone of well-cooked calcium carbonate and also white tartar salt. Everything should be exposed to heat for ten hours, then it is pulverized. Kunckel, instead, replaces the salt of tartar with purified potash. For the white enamel, they usually use manganese because it gives the milky white. Libavius suggests instead a method involving lead, tin, and pulverized glass. But the method that Kunckel prefers to make the white enamel is calcined antimony and nitro salt with pulverized glass. Kunckel purifies antimony with the classic recipe of antimony regulus purified with iron nails, to remove all parts of sulfur since antimony in mines generally occurs in the form of sulfide. Kunckel has one more secret of making this enamel: extreme pulverization in a mortar for at least a full day with the addition of distilled vinegar. Regarding the blue enamel, one should use copper. Kunckel recommends following Neri’s method, that is to use an oven to melt the glass, and repeat the operation, melting and cooling the mass in water and putting it back in the oven (it was the alchemists who repeated the operations, not the chemists.). As for Dippel, he finally reveals his recipe for Prussian blue: he calcinates the tartar salt with the dried blood of an ox, which is also called ‘martial earth’ because the blood contains iron. Macquer and Kunckel, instead of tartar salt, use alkali from lye plus distilled water. In any case, distilled vinegar should be added. Without it, nothing is done.

23 Is it true that there was pharmaceutical and alchemical potable gold?

True. See Gold & Alchemy, Potable Gold.

24 Gold is fine, a digestible metal, but were there any pill made from antimony?

Antimony pills existed and were more expensive than gold ones, due to the peculiar skill that a chemist had to have to make this metal no longer dangerous but medicinal (in practice it was the same process through the antimony glass of the alchemists).

25 Did iatrochemists use Alkahest to dissolve their mineral salts?

No. Alkahest was too dangerous for medicinal use. Alkahest is in fact a synonym of Mercurius, and was used exclusively by alchemists, although it would not have taken long for iatrochemists to obtain it (it was enough to repeat the volatilization operations).

26 Did iatrochemists also use dew and puddle water?

Iatrochemists also used dew and puddle water, which they collected at the two equinoxes, or rather a week before. Many also used Ros Maialis or May dew, just like the alchemists. With these “dirty” waters, iatrochemists prepared above all their vegetable solvents to open metals.

27 Is it true that iatrochemists used to bury or put to rest intermediate, but also final, products in dark and damp cellars, and why?

If you believe that these practices were exclusively alchemical you are wrong: they were a common practice. If the alchemists used to do it to increase the Spiritus Mundi, the iatrochemists did it to further refine and disperse their substances, precisely to “spiritualize” them.

28 Did iatrochemists use open-air overnight exposures to “magnetize” their plant and animal raw materials?

“Magnetization” was a practice that iatrochemists rarely confessed to, but practiced widely. A classic example was urine, both human and ruminant.

29 Is it true that iatrochemists made public use of urine salts, but secretly processed aromatic substances?

True. Urine, even animal urine, was widely accepted by customers at that time, who would have been frightened by the idea of ingesting “perfumes”. At the end of the chemist’s laborious work, the urine no longer had anything of the original substance, not even the smell, obviously. Another substance that customers accepted without protest was hippuric acid extracted from horse urine. Also known as benzoic acid, this substance had the power to make calcined metals sublimate.

30 Is it true that iatrochemists personally designed, drew and oversaw the manufacturing of their laboratory equipment?

Among the many skills of the ancient iatrochemists was also the design of laboratory equipment. Only beginners used standard tools or those recommended by manufacturers, then developed their needs. In fact, some processes were possible only with apparatus built specifically for specific tasks. It was not just about stills, but also sublimation bells and even ovens.

31 Is it true that a good iatrochemist always had to have a plot of land next to the laboratory?

True. It was one of the secrets of a competent pharmacist.

32 Did the ancient iatrochemists share the same timing and astronomical code of the alchemists?

At least for the beginning of the works, certainly. The ancient chemists knew the right moments to distill, volatilize, melt metals, and collect the products of the sky.

33 Did iatrochemists and alchemists also share the same concept of the union of opposites?

Even for ancient chemists, opposites were represented by fixed and volatile substances that were ultimately “married” in a perpetual way.

34 Why did chemists, until the Baroque age, divide substances into passive and active?

Ancient chemists did not divide substances according to their molecular characteristics but according to their ability to move other substances and make themselves move. Thus, regardless of whether a substance was mainly aqueous or saline, what caused movement when placed in another substance was considered active; the substance being moved was passive.

35 Why do alchemists divide substances into passive and active?

From the chemical point of view, alchemists also make the same distinction between substances that move and substances that are moved. But from the alchemical point of view, the passive substance gives physical consistency to the active substance, or spark. Moon-sun symbolism is common.

36 Yet many solvent and/or lifting preparations were called “Spirits” by chemists…

Those solvent and/or lifting preparations from urine, tartar, alkali, sea salt, vinegar, cognac, wine, dew, etc. were called “spirits” because the nomenclature of the time called for anything that floated against the force of gravity (as we would say today). Nothing religious or alchemical.

37 Did it happen that pharmacists boasted of making medicines charged with Spiritus Mundi or prepared with alchemical systems?

It never happened. At most, chemists boasted of manufacturing medicines that were “highly absorbable by the human body”, but they never used the alchemical “spiritual” nomenclature. Also because it would have attracted unwanted attention and scrutiny.

38 Is it true that pharmacists also prepared pills with religious or symbolic images?

True. These pills were made of limestone material printed with images, then sealed by a “sigillum”.

39 Is it true that, in the end, the “technicians” had a much more spiritual idea than the alchemists about the products of their work?

In the end, if it is true that many alchemists became cynical materialists and mainly pursued the path of easy enrichment through the powder of projection (to make gold) and the Elixir of Long Life, the so-called technicians instead retained a spiritualistic view of the alchemists’ works. A classic example are the Japanese swordsmiths who were perfectly aware of working with souls (of the metal, of themselves, of the client, of the beneficiary and of the one to whom the sword happened to be delivered by final chance).

On the contrary, the day the alchemists lost their ancient mindset, they also lost any possibility of reaching the end of their works: it was only competition with others. Never underestimate the alchemical souls, because, if the Mercurius is the main tool of the alchemist, the “invisible companions” are crucial for success (and unfortunately for the alchemist in the flesh, those “ghosts” use to reason like the dead).

40 What was the chemists’ opinion about the alchemical works?

Chemists had understood that alchemical work was a “work for clumsy incompetent people”, but with secrets that made it unattainable.

41 Has it ever happened that a chemist voluntarily became an alchemist?

This is a redundant question. The answer is that there have obviously been many cases of chemists who have voluntarily and stubbornly searched for the philosophers’ stone. I could mention many names. However, mostly in the Baroque era, chemists were very careful to give the impression of being interested in Alchemy, since everyone (as Francesco Borri says) was after the Stone. So, given their technical knowledge, it was better for chemists to keep a low profil.

42 Did it happen that chemists and alchemists worked together?

If for an alchemist to collaborate with a chemist would have meant learning new technical skills, for a chemist it would have meant quickly surpassing the alchemist and arriving first at the final goal. I believe that alchemists and chemists collaborated with each other like intelligence services do today.

43 Had it ever happened that, unintentionally and by pure chance, a chemist got the Philosophers Stone?

If the chemist had insisted on doing the same operations (perhaps to obtain extreme volatilization), he/she could certainly have obtained Mercurius. If he had been so far-sighted as to save Mercurius to nourish the alchemical embryo and to keep some of the waste for the construction of the egg, then he were already alchemists and knew the properties of Mercurius. However, he would hardly have arrived at the philosopher’s egg by chance. See What is the Philosophers Stone?

44 What would make it impossible to prepare medicines today with the systems of the Baroque age?

The main secret of the Baroque age iatrochemists was their customized laboratory tools, so peculiarly personal that they were destroyed after a few uses. We must not believe that those famous pharmacists used only the specimens shown and described in their chemical treatises.

45 What are those treatises called “Philosophers’ Sky”?

They were best-selling books due to their ease of reading, and contained a potpourri of folk remedies, superstitions, laboratory tips and alchemical truths.

46 Would it be wise to blindly accept ancient chemistry today?

Ancient chemistry certainly knew techniques and knowledge that are forgotten, and therefore unknown today, but at the same time, the ancients were victims of simple habits and superstitions. After all, if ancient iatrochemistry had really been able to produce miraculous medicines, we would still be using it today. And, in some cases, we do.

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